Giants.com's Michael Eisen sat down with Ben McAdoo to discuss his coaching career and his life on- and off-the-field.
This interview was conducted before the 2015 Regular Season.
McAdoo: “It is a mecca compared to some of the other towns around it. Homer City, PA is about 40 minutes outside of Pittsburgh. It’s in Southwestern PA, so I grew up northeast of Pittsburgh. I grew up in southwestern Pennsylvania, in a blue-collar coal-mining town. My father was a coal miner. Grandfather was coal miner. Growing up there was a little bit different than a lot of people around here can be familiar with. What was important to us – work ethic was important, grit. Sticking together. Played a lot of sports growing up. Just about everything you could play. I am not going to sit here and say I was great at any of them. I was never the pretty girl in anything I did. I always had to work for what I wanted.”
Q: Did you have a favorite sport when you were young?
McAdoo: “I liked football. I played them all, but the first time the game really grabbed was, ‘The Drive,’ when Denver came back (the John Elway-led march in the 1986 AFC Championship Game in Cleveland). That was the first game I actually sat down and watched with my father and his brothers. He comes from a big family. He has 11 brothers and sisters. I sat down with him and his brothers and watched ‘The Drive,’ and that kind of grabbed me a little bit and drew me to offense particularly and the quarterback position. "
Q: Were you a fan of the Pittsburgh teams?
McAdoo: “Everyone in that area is a big Pittsburgh fan. When I was growing up they weren’t the most successful teams. The Steelers were coming off the runs in the 70’s, when they were one of the best teams in football for a long time there. They had a little dry spell when I was younger and I started watching in the mid-80’s and late-80’s. "
Q: Do you have siblings?
McAdoo: “Two, a younger brother and sister. They are still back bouncing around the area. My sister is a teacher. She does a great job. She is a reading specialist. She has three boys. I have a brother who spends a lot time back in the area, but he actually lives in New York. He does a lot of travelling.”
Q: Word is you played several positions on your high school football team before settling in at left tackle on a championship team in 1994?
McAdoo: “I ended up playing left tackle. I thought my best position was defense, but some other people thought otherwise. I played a bunch of different positions, and I just was drawn to the line. I was bigger when I was younger. As I got older I thinned out. I was about 180 (pounds) as a senior playing left tackle. There wasn’t a great market in the college game for 180-pound left tackle. I was probably 50 pounds more than that in eighth and ninth grade. I was a bigger kid who never grew past that.”
Q: You were pretty confident in your ability…didn’t you do some trash-talking as you approached the line?
McAdoo: “I was very confident in our ability. We took a lot of pride in running the football, and we liked to do it. I would like to think that a little bit of that carries over today. You live and you learn and you try to be as humble as you can be, but that wasn’t my best trait back then.”
Q: You mentioned your dad was a miner. Does your work ethic come from watching him when you were growing up?
McAdoo: “I think it comes from the town we grew up in. It is a blue-collar town. There is a coal mine and they are not thriving today, which is unfortunate. There is a power generating station and then as you went toward the city – the steel mills are not there anymore. They are no long in operation. We had a lot of pride in our work ethic and our grit and our resolve. That was something we like to hang our hat on.”
Q: We’ve all heard stories about miners telling their sons not to follow them into the mines, and to find another occupation. Was your dad like that?
McAdoo: “He wanted me to chase my passion. He worked hard, but he was a man that didn’t have a bunch of words. He stood on things without a bunch of words being said. I was fortunate that my parents worked, and I was the first person in the family to go to college (at Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP), where he earned a degree in health and physical education. McAdoo later received his master’s degree in kinesiology from Michigan State). That was important. I wasn’t sure I always wanted to do that, but I figured in the end that was probably the best way to get ahead. Not a lot of that was going on back then. Now it seems like now everyone graduates high school and goes to college. There were choices and options back then. At the end of the day, we felt like that was the best way to go.”
Q: You graduated college with honors. Were you always a good student?
McAdoo: “No, I was immature. I was a late bloomer. It seemed like one day I woke up and realized what was important. The game and my high school coach, Rick Foust, had a lot to do with that. He wouldn’t expect anything less than your best. That kind of rubbed off on other things. When I was done playing, I had a hard time finding things to replace the competition. I used academics to do that.”
Q: Football is so important to people in western Pennsylvania. When you won the district title as a senior, was that big deal?
McAdoo: “It was a big deal. It was a big deal to us. I don’t know to who else it was. There is a lot of pride and good football being played in that area. To be able to come out on top and hoist the trophy – a lot of work went into it. It was a lot of fun, but it was exciting to be with your teammates. It is hard to replace that. You can’t find that feeling everywhere. Vince Lombardi said, ‘Winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing.’ I don’t think many people understand what he meant by that. What he meant by that was it is the only thing that creates that feeling. There aren’t really words that can describe it. You can only feel it. We felt it that night, Nov. 5, 1994.”
Q: Who did you beat in the title game?
McAdoo: “Bellwood-Antis, 3-0.”
Q: Did you play defense as well?
McAdoo: “I played a bit of defense. A few different positions, but I played mostly offense my senior year.”
Q: You said you were the first one to go to college - Was Indiana close to Homer City?
McAdoo: “Yes, Indiana was the neighboring town. Indian High School and Indiana University of Pennsylvania were right there. It was a six or seven-minute drive from my home.” (Note: McAdoo graduated summa cum laude with a degree in health and physical education.) "
Q: When you were in college did you work with the football team back at your high school?
McAdoo: “I took a year off and I missed it. Right after high school, I took a year off from playing and I went into school, and then after a year I decided I needed to coach or do something with the team one way or another. I went to see my former coach and he brought me back, and I ended up doing some coaching there for two years.”
Q: When did you know you wanted to be a coach?
McAdoo: “I didn’t know I wanted to be a coach until I was at Michigan State pursuing my master’s degree. I got my master’s degree in nine months, and the plan was to go to law school. At that point in time I didn’t coach for a year, and I missed it again, so I decided it (law school) is not for me. I want to find coaching. I want to be around the game. I miss the locker room. I miss the players. I miss the competition. You have to find that competition. It is hard to replace that.”
Q: I read a quote in an old story in which you said you spent a year away from coaching and was miserable, and you didn’t realize how badly you wanted to coach. Was it that year?
McAdoo: “It was that year. That was 2000-2001.”
Q: While you were getting your master’s did you work with the Michigan State football team?
McAdoo: “I was working in the athletic department and teaching classes at Michigan State. I was 21-22, and I had a pretty good gig. I was a teacher’s assistant, so I was teaching some classes and I was working in the athletic department in marketing and ticket sales and promotions for a year. From there, I wanted to go to law school in Michigan, and from that point work with an organization - whether it was professional or whether it was college - but was in sports. I realized all along I wanted to work in sports. At the end of the day I wanted to coach. I just got there a little different way than most.”
Q: That was your first time being away from home. What was that like for you?
McAdoo: “I was very busy. Going to school full-time and finishing in nine months. Then working full-time and teaching classes. It was a full load. I didn’t have a lot of free time. Nights were mostly working at the basketball games or hockey games and doing baseball on the weekends, or whatever you needed to do to get your job done for the athletic department. But I learned a lot. It was baptism by fire.”
Q: Do you look back at that as a fun year?
McAdoo: “It was a blur, but it was very educational, not just in the classroom, but a dose of real life. I enjoy being busy. I enjoy being productive, and that was a good experience. It was a great place. I really enjoyed Michigan State.”
Q: So that is when you decided to coach – did you coach the next year?
McAdoo: “Not so fast. “When I realized I wanted to coach I tried to get a high school coaching job in Michigan, but I had a Pennsylvania certification. It didn’t carry over to Michigan. I started poking around Michigan, seeing if I could get an assistant job or volunteering or doing anything I could do. I couldn’t get anyone to touch me. I had local ties working in the athletic department, but that certification didn’t cross over from Pennsylvania to Michigan. One of the guys I worked with in the athletic department mentioned I maybe should take a look at the Spartans, and see if I could get involved there as a graduate assistant. I went over and met with them a little bit. I could tell it was going to be tough to get in. Every day, I started to call every coach. The first day I called them, and then the next day I sent them all an email. Then after that I would send them all a fax. I tried every day to get in contact with a coach in a different way, until they brought me in and gave me an interview. The athletic director at the time was Dr. Clarence Underwood. He brought me in and said, ‘What did you get out of coaching for in the first place?’ I told him I didn’t know I wanted to be a coach until I got out of it. He helped me get my foot in the door there. Bobby Williams was the head coach at the time, and he was just getting started. They brought me in, and I got some work done off the field. I was an off-the-field aid there. I did a lot of computer work and a lot of film work, and whatever I could do that way to contribute.”
Q: Once you started doing that, were you convinced coaching is what you wanted to do?
McAdoo: “When you are doing the quality control-type work and the type of work that no one else in the building wants to do and you are thoroughly enjoying it, you realize you made the right decision. I was excited for the future.”
Q: You spent one year there, and then began the coach’s odyssey?
McAdoo: “We took a tour of the country. Along with me on this journey is my wife (Toni). She wasn’t my wife at the time. We started dating when I was a senior in high school. Her father was my peewee football coach. She was making all these trips with me. So we go to Fairfield (University in), Connecticut. Small school, I-AA and no scholarships. I had the chance to really wrap my hands around coaching. The kids there were outstanding. They were very bright and hard-working. We had a good time. We worked hard, but we enjoyed it.”
Q: Were you there for a season before they disbanded the program?
McAdoo: “I was there for a season before they disbanded the program. I knew we were in trouble when the head coach came in and said, ‘I am going to take a defensive coordinator job at Duquesne,’ and Duquesne was in the same conference as we were in. Something wasn’t going right. That is the way it went down. When he left I really had a chance to be hands-on with the recruiting operations and with the winter conditioning and those types of things. It was another great learning experience.”
Q: Then you went to Pittsburgh for a year?
McAdoo: “From there, I did whatever I could to try to find work. Actually a funny story was I was turned on to a possible opening with the Saints. A coach that I think very highly of, who is with the Raiders now, Sal Sunseri, tipped me off onto it. Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator at the time. I ended up stalking him a little bit at the combine, and by the time I got to him the position was filled already. But I like to think I made a good impression. That didn’t work out, so I ended up going to Pitt. I had a chance to work for Walt Harris. Great football mind, and very demanding, and it was an opportunity to go back home, which you are very proud of when you are doing it. Looking back, it was a tremendous experience. I had a chance to work with good coaches and good players. Larry Fitzgerald was one of them. I had a chance to see a young player with special talent and ability who had things together on and off the field. You knew he had a chance to be something special, with whatever he chose to do.”
Q: I read you drove to the combine that year to job network?
McAdoo: “It was in a terrible storm. I drove to the combine to seek out McCarthy.”
Q: Had you met McCarthy previously?
McAdoo: “No. I actually got him on the phone and talked to him briefly. He said, ‘I think the position is filled. We have to go through all the red tape and everything like that, but we have a pretty good candidate right now.’ He would let me know after he got back from Indianapolis if the job was filled or not. I did not want to wait. I wanted to try and grab him as soon as I could get my hands on him. I drove to Indianapolis in probably one of the worst snowstorms in the northeast. It was 2003. Between Fairfield and Pitt. It was one of the worst snowstorms we have had, and I made the trip in a Daewoo. I remember driving in West Virginia over the hills trying to figure out if I was on the road or not. It was one of those type deals. Everyone was in a state of emergency, and I am trucking through. It took me about 26 hours to get from Connecticut to Indianapolis. I had my suit ready to go, and I was sitting in the mall in Indianapolis outside the Canterbury (Hotel) with a big duffle bag full of binders ready to show my work. You got to do what you got to do sometimes.”
Q: McCarthy is also from western Pennsylvania. Did you try to bond with him through that connection?
McAdoo: “That is how I heard of it in the first place. That doesn’t get you real far in the beginning. You have to show and prove that you are capable of the job, and do the job well.”
Q: You went from Pitt to Akron, and then a job opened up with McCarthy?
McAdoo: “A job opened up with McCarthy and Jim Haslett in New Orleans (in 2004). They called, and it was a great opportunity. You had to go somewhere and leave quickly. You feel loyal, but you have to look at things from a perspective that is best for you and the family I wanted to create.”
Q: So it was relatively easy for you to pick up and go from Akron to New Orleans?
McAdoo: “Yes, easier said than done taking my wife out of Pittsburgh. We decided that is what would be best.”
Q: That was your first NFL job. What was your position?
McAdoo: “I was quality control. I was Haslett’s assistant. I was McCarthy’s assistant, and I was the liaison from the coaching staff to the administration side of the building. I had a lot of responsibility as far as administratively with schedules, facilities and travel.”
Q: It was a low-level job, but did you think it was the greatest thing in the world because you were in the NFL?
McAdoo: “No question, no question. I was chomping at the bit. I couldn’t wait to get there. I don’t think I slept for the first six months I was there, because I was chomping at the bit to work every day.
Q: Then you left to go to Stanford?
McAdoo: “We won our last four (games). We were 8-8. We were a Jets field goal away from being in the playoffs, and I think it was wide right against St. Louis that year and we ended up getting knocked out in overtime in our last game. I remember sitting in the locker room after we had beaten Carolina. We were watching the Jets and the Rams play in overtime. It was quite the game, but it didn’t end in our favor, so that was it. After the season, Walt Harris got the job at Stanford and offered me a position (coaching tackles and tight ends). I jumped at it.”
Q: Before you could actually get to Stanford, didn’t McCarthy offered you a job with the 49ers?
McAdoo: “So I hit the recruiting trail. Anyone at Stanford knows how interesting that is, because not everyone can get in to Stanford. It is a pretty special place. When you recruit there you have to put a lot of miles in. I was flying all around the country recruiting. I did that for a while, and then Mike Nolan and Mike McCarthy called and offered me a position (assistant offensive line and quality control coach) with the 49ers on a new staff. It was right down the street right there, but it was another opportunity to get on a fresh start with a new staff.”
Q: At this point you are still young and had moved four or five times. Did you ever question the lifestyle?
McAdoo: “We were still not married at the time. In our house we call my wife, Toni, our guardian angel. My only question was, ‘Are you going to keep making these moves with me. I am going to keep moving and shaking and learning as much as I can, as fast as I can.’ She kept making the moves. Going from Pittsburgh to the Midwest to the Northeast to the South to the West Coast was interesting.”
Q: You said it was tough for her to get out of Pittsburgh, but did she enjoy going to New Orleans and San Francisco?
McAdoo:” Oh absolutely, no question. San Francisco is a great place. So is New Orleans. We love the people. I don’t miss any meals, and you do pretty well in New Orleans and in San Francisco.”
Q: McCarthy became the head coach in Green Bay in 2006, and he hired you to coach the Packers’ tight ends, your first position job? Was that a big milestone for you?
McAdoo: “It was. You always to get your own room and get your hands on that room and make an impression that way. I was by trade a teacher, so I really look forward to the opportunity of taking that the room and teaching the room and carrying it out onto the field, and putting my trade to the test. That was a great opportunity and a tradition-rich organization. Like the other places I have been, I was with good people, and had a chance to win and make an impression.”
Q: What was the conversation with Toni like when you were leaving one of the great cities on the planet to move to Green Bay?
McAdoo: “The conversation was, ‘How long of a drive is it from Pittsburgh to Green Bay?’ That was the conversation. We are cut from the same cloth. I was on one side of (Route) 119 and she was on the other side of 119. Our families have known each other for a long time. She knows the work ethic that I have. Her father was a coal miner as well.”
Q: Did your dads work together?
McAdoo: “Yes, at one point. So the work ethic – I am not the only one who works hard in our family.”
Q: As you put it, to get your own room, to have the tight ends for six years and establish some roots and gain a reputation - was that what you always wanted?
McAdoo: “No. I don’t look at things that way. I want to keep my head down, keep working, and take care of what you need to take care of. Take care of the present and build for the future. I am never someone who looks at accomplishments and says, ‘It is over.’ When you get an accomplishment it is all fine and great, and you work for those and it is a notch in your belt, or a trophy in the case, or a ring on the finger. As soon as you put that thing on, you take it off and it is on to the next thing.”
Q: During your six years as the Packers’ tight ends coach, who were some of the guys with you in the room?
McAdoo: “I came in with two veteran guys: Bubba Frank and David Martin. Bubba, I believe was older than I was at the time when I came in. Donald Lee was in Miami for a little bit, then we brought him up to Green Bay. He’s the player I really had the chance to connect with, and I feel like he and I made some great strides together, and he turned into a heck of a player for us. Jermichael Finley came in there next, and he is an exceptional talent. Phenomenal athlete and just great competitiveness. He was the ultimate competitor. Having a chance to work with a guy with a skill set like that was an exciting opportunity for me. There were a few guys like that, but those two guys, Donald Lee and Jermichael Finley, were fun guys to coach and fun guys to be around. They ultimately helped us get the (Super Bowl) ring on the finger.”
Q: How about the opportunity to work so long under Mike McCarthy, who is one of the most respected offensive coaches?
McAdoo: “Mike is obviously a big part of who I am as a coach, and it comes from Mike. New Orleans, San Francisco, Green Bay and working with him and under him in a ton of different positions. It wasn’t always the same job. It was four different jobs. Getting a chance to see how he operates and developing the way you think about offensive football and then football in general. He does a great job of developing coaches, and he believes in that. I was fortunate enough to work with Mike and some other coaches who had some interest in me, and developing me as a coach in my career. If you don’t get developed and then you don’t pass that on, it is tough to grow. It is tough business to grow in.”
Q: Your high school coach was also a big influence on you. Who were some of the other coaches who helped you along the way?
McAdoo: “Going back my high school coach, Rick Foust. Scott Mossgrove was a coach at an Indiana area school district. He was a heck of a football coach. Very organized and detailed. I learned a lot from him there. Moving through, Jeff Stoutland at Michigan State is someone I look up to. He is now with the Eagles. I don’t know if I can say that. Jack Henry is a big influence on my life, a line coach for the Saints. I have IUP connections, and Jack is one of them, along with Jim Haslett. In Green Bay there were a lot of guys, but to mention two, Joe Philbin, who is one of the finest men and coaches I have been around, and Tom Clements, who really helped me develop along with Mike in the quarterback room.”
Q: The 2010 Packers won the Super Bowl. When that team gathered for training camp, did you as a staff believe you had a special team?
McAdoo: “Yes, we felt it in 2009. It was a new defense. A new defensive staff came in, and we felt as we grew that year in 2009 that we were a heck of a team. I think we had the top defense in the league (it was actually second, but No. 1 against the run) and Aaron (Rodgers) was coming into his own, and we were running the ball. We were balanced as an offense. We were playing well in the pass game. We had some receivers. The defense was outstanding creating turnovers. We thought 2009 was a good year. We had a disappointing end that year. We lost in the Wild Card in the shootout in Arizona. In 2010, coming in we felt that we pick up where we left off. We felt that we had to get better, and that every year is new and every team is different. We had some pieces in place to make a run at it. Then everyone started getting hurt, and it was a challenge. You would go in for your Wednesday morning meeting, and you would see new outside linebackers. We were running a lot of guys through there, trying to find the right pieces because we had a ton of injuries.”
Q: When Super Bowl memory most sticks with you?
McAdoo: “I would probably say – my daughter she was two, so holding her as the confetti was coming down and she was saying, ‘Daddy, what is that?’ And I told her that was confetti. She just looked at me and said, ‘What a mess!’ I will never forget that. That was pretty special. When you had so many injuries and moving pieces – to see how everyone gelled together and worked as one to find a way to get it done. It didn’t have to be pretty. There aren’t any style points. Some way, somehow, we found a way.”
Q: Did you go back to Homer City and show your ring to family and friends?
McAdoo: “I did show everybody back home. I don’t think I put it once since the summer we got it. We got it in June.”
Q: Because you are not a jewelry guy, or because you are looking forward?
McAdoo: “I want the next one. The next one is going to taste better.”
Q: When Mike McCarthy came to and said he wanted to you switch from tight ends to quarterbacks, he was asking you to coach arguably the top player in the league. What was that like?
McAdoo: “It lit a fire in my gut. I was excited. Chomping at the bit and I couldn’t wait to get in there. The way Aaron approaches the game – he gets a lot of credit for his arm, and for being smart, and his feet and being able to extend plays, but the way he prepares and the way he thinks about the game is unique. I was excited to be able to contribute to that and be a part of that, and find ways I could help him get better. That was very exciting.”
Q: What was it like in 2013 when Rodgers was hurt and it seemed like every week you had to get another quarterback ready?
McAdoo: “We signed two new quarterbacks that season to be backups. They were just learning the offense at the time. Seneca Wallace and Scott Tolzien. That was definitely a challenge, but you couldn’t have had two better guys for it. They worked at it. We got in there early and stayed late. A lot of times we would be out before pre-game, drilling the footwork and just repping the verbiage before games. Aaron got hurt on a Monday Night in Chicago on the first series. Seneca comes in and he has only been in Green Bay for seven weeks or so. He comes in and plays that week, and then that next week in the first series he goes out with another injury. So then Scott Tolzien comes in, and now at least Seneca had reps for six or seven weeks there. Tolzien only had six reps, period in our offense. He went and I think he threw for 273 yards, a touchdown, had a turnover, but came in and played admirably. He played well. He gave us a chance to win the game. You couldn’t have a better group of guys who understood what you needed to do to do their part. And then we ended up signing Matt Flynn back. He runs the system as well as anybody. He does a hell of job running the system and the offense. We had a couple of nice wins there. We actually had a nice come from behind win where we were done 26 at halftime. I think we were down 23 to Dallas at halftime. We came back and won that game down there. That was a nice win for us.”
Q: At that point, did you believe you were ready for a coordinators job?
McAdoo: “I was excited for the opportunity to work with Aaron and the quarterbacks. I felt that was a necessary step in my development, to be able to go in and effectively work in that environment and work in that room. So much of what we do is through the eyes of the quarterback. I have been in that room a lot, just because of the positions and jobs I have had, but to be able to sit in the front was a necessary part of the development. I was excited and looking forward to that.”
Q: So when Tom Coughlin called you after the 2013 season, you thought you were ready for the step up?
McAdoo: “I felt that I was well-groomed for the position.”
Q: We read so much about a coordinator coming and installing a new system. How do you start?
McAdoo: “The football is the last thing you do. The first thing you do is about leadership. It is probably the most important part it. Making sure everyone understands where you are coming from, and how you are going to conduct yourself, and what you expect from everyone around you, and the type of leadership that they can bring to the table. Then you are looking for talented men of integrity, the people you surround yourself with. You are looking for integrity first, and there is no sliding scale there. The next thing is you have to create the work environment that will allow everyone around you to be successful. To lead talented men of integrity you need to make sure they can grow and creating that working environment for teaching and learning and development, which is one of the most important parts of our business, whether it is coaches, or players. There has to be a lot of development going on there. The last thing is the structure and function. The structure and function, you start with philosophy. What’s important? This is how we want to play. This is our philosophy on football. This is our goal. This is our vision. These are the objectives on how we are going to get there. Then you go through and start to layout your alignments and assignments, and you coach the fundamentals from there. It really is not that difficult.”
Q: Coach Coughlin has often said there is a lot verbiage in this offense. Is that what you would teach last?
McAdoo: “No, you can get there a bunch of different ways. You can use numbers. You can use words. You can use hand signals. It may be verbal on paper, but when you play the game a lot of it is coded down and a lot of it is through the hands. A lot can be lost from the huddle to the line of scrimmage. But when you get a signal and they are in the alignment that they need to be in, then they just have to worry about how the defense is going to react to it.”
Q: What is it like calling plays and having your decisions questioned publicly?
McAdoo: “I’ve learned a lot. I learned that you have to stick with what you believe in, and that if you stick with what you believe in and you are confident with it, then you will have a chance to improve as the year goes on, like we thought we would. I think the last six games we played (in 2014) were more like we want to play. We are not there yet, and each year is a new year, so we still have to grow a little bit. Other than that – enjoyment. I am very at peace and comfortable with the decision I made. This is a great organization. I am fortunate to be here. The goal is to win the Super Bowl. Unless you do that is it not enough.”
Q: So when did Toni finally marry you?
McAdoo: “When we got to Green Bay I had had eight jobs in six years. We got to Green Bay and it was the first year we didn’t move. We looked at each other and said that was probably the time. We got married our first year in Green Bay, that offseason because we didn’t move.”
Q: Where did you get married?
McAdoo: “Door County, Wisconsin. We got married in Wisconsin. We snuck out there and got it done pretty quickly and painlessly. We took care of that up there and both of our kids were born there. We have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old son. Larkin and BJ.”
Q: Does your family like the area?
McAdoo: “We like the area. We like the energy that it brings. The traffic we can really do without, but I don’t think that is going anywhere. We do like the energy and the vibe and we consider ourselves, even though southwest Pennsylvania may not be East Coast, we kind of consider ourselves East Coast people, and so we do like it here.”